TOWN OF CLYMAN
ANNUAL TOWN MEETING
CLYMAN TOWN HALL, 735
APRIL 10, 2012 @ 7:00
ATTENDEES - Sherry Haase, Mary Lee Peterman,
Timothy Dornfeld, Jerome Haase, Nancy Schlender,
Chris Hookstead, Mark Grosskopf, Kris Kohlhoff,
Marjorie Gahlman, John Haase, Terry Reynolds,
Fred Wellach, Greg Antholt, Chuck Burkholz,
Sandy Thoma, Chris Spilker.
The Annual meeting was called to order by Chairman
(Chm) Dave Blank @7:12pm with 1st Supervisor
(Sup) Brad Bailey, 2nd Supervisor (Sup) Amy
Nehls, Treasurer Carol Hrenak and Clerk Pamela
The Pledge of Allegiance was recited.
FINANCIAL STATEMENT - Chairman (Chm) Dave explained
the Income Statement for 2011.
The totals for the Income are:
CATEGORY ANTICIPATED ACTUAL SHORT/OVER
Tax Levy $139,130.00 $145,117.41 $5,987.41
State Shared Revenues $18,953.00 $24,902.87
Transportation Hwy Aid $56,616.00 $56,615.95
Computer Aid $30.00 $13.00 -$17.00
2% Fire Dues $2,000.00 $2,094.22 $94.22
Liquor License Fees $1,100.00 $496.32 -$603.68
Dog License Fees $800.00 $897.89 $97.89
Village of Clyman Truck Ins $1,100.00 $0.00
Culvert $1,000.00 $827.01 -$172.99
Building Permits $1,000.00 $2,794.90 $1,794.90
Conditional Use/Zoning Perm$1,500.00 $1,264.88
Bond & Misc Refund $1,000.00 $0.00 -$1,000.00
Line of Credit $0.00 $10,000.00 $10,000.00
Miscellaneous $0.00 $4,844.20 $4,844.20
TOTALS $224,229.00 $249,868.65 $25,639.65
Chm Blank then asked if there were any questions.
Kris Kohlhoff stated that as far as the Village
of Clyman Truck Ins., it was a wash between
the two of us, because the Village bills the
Town for the hydrants and workers comp.
Caroline Bailey stated that she had a question
and stated the following “You really are
not very good when you borrow $10,000. You took
out a line of credit of $10,000 on your income,
that's the only reason why it bumped you over.
Part of your only reason because $10,000 is
a line of credit and you are borrowing money.”
Chm Blank stated that in actuality we're under
Paid $40,546.22 Budget $43,200.00 Remaining
Dues & Conference portion:
Paid $7,163.80 Budget $8,800.00 Remaining $1,636.20
Tim Dornfeld stated “Is it necessary
for you to read all this, are you required to
read every single line item?” Chm Blank
stated he didn't have to, it was up to the people.
Caroline Bailey then stated “Did we not
pay something on the Assessor in January, which
is offsetting what was budgeted for last year?”
Sandy Thoma stated that she didn't think so.
Caroline stated “I know there were certain
expenses brought over into January and if it
was in the 2011 Budget that it should be noticed
Sandy stated “We'd have to go back and
look but I don't think so because she thought
the Assessor sent us his bill in December.”
Chris Spilker stated “Along with what
Tim stated, if you wanted to do it by groups
and then see if anyone has a question in that
section.” Chm Blank asked the people if
he should do it by line or by groups and the
people agreed it should be by groups.
Paid $1,019.19 Budget $2,350.00 Remaining $1,300.81
Paid $56,168.46 Budget $51,960.00 Remaining
Paid $2,815.80 Budget $5,000.00 Remaining $2,184.20
Paid$27,272.61 Budget $30,000.00 Remaining
Paid $1,018.00 Budget $1,500.00 Remaining $482.00
Paid $1,594.00 Budget $300.00 Remaining $(1,294.00)
Paid $975.00 Budget $1,250.00 Remaining $275.00
Paid $745.55 Budget $1,000.00 Remaining $254.45
Paid $2461.82 Budget $2,625.00 Remaining $163.18
Paid $10,563.00 Budget $6,300.00 Remaining
Paid $66,693.67 Budget $54,079.00 Remaining
Paid $9,121.86 Budget $4,000.00 Remaining $(5,121.66)
Paid $5,932.70 Budget $4,975.00 Remaining $(957.70)
Village Hall Rental:
Paid $2,100.00 Budget $4,200.00 Remaining $2100.00
Paid $2,539.94 Budget $1,720.00 Remaining $(819.94)
Rock River Coalition:
Paid $0 Budget $500.00 Remaining $500.00
Paid $150.00 Budget $470.00 Remaining $320.00
Paid $5,276.09 Budget $0 Remaining $(5,276.09)
Paid$ 244,157.71 Budget $224,229.00 Remaining
Chuck Burkholz stated “The Consultants
$4486, was some of that for General Engineering
Company (GEC) Jerry Foellmi, that it was so
high?” Chm Blank stated that he believed
some of that was for Jerry Foellmi for the spill
last summer and we had to get involved in it.
Chuck asked if some of that would be recovered
this year and Chm Blank stated that it should
be, we are trying now. He stated that according
to the Zoning Ordinance it is a cost that is
to be defrayed to the cause of the charges.
Sup Nehls asked if the lawyers are also included
in the consultants fees. Chm Blank stated that
there is an Attorney line item.
Mary Lee Peterman asked “Why is there
such a large amount in the Miscellaneous?”
Sandy informed her that was for a matching grant
for the Fire Department. Sandy stated that we
had to math 5% of the grant that the Fire Department
has and it was not budgeted, so she put it in
Chuck Burkholz stated “On the attorney
fees, is some of that on the ditch issue? Chm
Blank stated that part of it was. Chuck stated
“There is some expense accrued through
the ditch issue in a couple of different ways.”
Chm Blank stated that GEC didn't get involved
Caroline Bailey stated “So if you take
the income side and we have a profit of $25k
and you take the expense side and you have a
negative amount, that shows we have $5,710.94
left. Where did that money go. Tell me it went
to pay off loan.” Unknown resident stated
“Budget is just a number”. Caroline
stated “Well we have actuals, right? We
have our actual income and we have actual expenses
now.” Unknown stated “But you took
the short/over down to $15k.” Caroline
stated “You still have to add it, if you
are going to include the loan then it would
be $25k. It does increase when you take out
a loan, it does increase the income side of
the statement. So if you take the $10k loan
and you expense out your expenses there is a
positive amount of $5,710.94 left. And I just
wanna know exactly where $5,710.94 went.”
Discussion held. Caroline stated “So are
you telling me that we started our checking
balance at $5,710.94 to start off 2012?”
Sandy stated “I can't tell you right off
the top of my head, I'd have to look. I didn't
think the budget sheet showed that much”
Caroline stated “So you are saying our
checking balance was less when we started January
1, 2012.” Sandy stated “I'm saying
I'd have to look”. Chm Blank stated that
if there was any left do you want to roll it
over into this year. Caroline stated “Well
your expense and your income statement should
balance out to zero. You take the income side
and when you have extra, you allocate to where
that would go, I would think.” Sup Nehls
stated that when you run a budget this tight,
most places just leave it in there in case other
expenses come up and you don't have to take
a loan out right away. Caroline stated “I
understand that, so then where did we go with
it? If you put it in the budge, tell me where
the $5,710.94 went did you add it to the 2012
budget into salaries? How did you allocate it
to public safety.” Sup Nehls stated that
they budgeted for 2012 back in November, they
didn't know they were going to have a surplus.
She stated that extra money is most likely in
the checking account. Caroline stated “At
next month's meeting we should be able to see
where the $5,710.94 is, Right?” Chm stated
that we have a change of Treasurers right now.
Bob White stated “Two months ago Amy
you told us that we on the county you check
and we spent $17k for snow removal last year.
It says here $11,629 and I found that number
hard to believe also. Especially since we had
record snow last year, not this year.”
Sup Nehls stated that the budget goes by season.
Nancy Schlender stated “On the Rock River
Coalition, what was the reasoning for not participating
in it this past year?” Chm Blank stated
that we felt we would be short on money. Nancy
stated “Because I recall when the letter
came out all the Towns were supposed to be participating
in it that had any properties that drained into
the Rock River. It is almost like dues.”
Kris Kohlhoff stated “They said five years.”
Chm Blank asked if maybe it was mandatory. Nancy
stated “I'm thinking it should be”.
Kris stated that she thought they voted it for
five years. Kris stated that she thinks this
is the fifth year. Chm Blank stated that we
haven't heard anything back yet.
Chm Blank asked if there were any other questions
on the Financial Statements. Caroline Bailey
stated “When did the board members see
a copy of it, when was the first time they saw
a copy of it for their review, when did they
receive it?” Chris Spilker stated that
they are not supposed to get it until tonight.
Caroline asked how then can they review it.
Chris stated that they are not supposed to review
it, you are getting it tonight to review it.
Chm Blank stated that the way this runs it is
open forum and this is an open forum and there
is no agenda and we don't see it. Caroline thanked
Tim Dornfeld/John Haase made a motion to approve
the 2011 Financial Statement. Chm Blank explained
to the clerk that we need to have a show of
hands and count the votes. Sup Nehls asked Caroline
Bailey if she is telling Sup Bailey how to vote,
because he can't decide if he is raising his
hand or not. Caroline told her that he didn't
have time to review it. Chris Spilker informed
Caroline that we just reviewed it line by line.
18-Yes 3-No 2-Abstain. Motion Carried.
APPROVAL MINUTES - Chm Blank stated that last
year we did not have a clerk at the time of
the Annual Meeting and Chuck Burkholz took hand
written minutes. Chuck then read the minutes
from the Annual Meeting of 2011.
Stan Jones/Mary Lee Peterman made a motion
to accept the minutes from the 2011 Annual Meeting.
All-Yes 0-No. Motion Carried.
BASEBALL TEAM - Chm Blank asked Tim Dornfeld
if it will be boys and girls Tim stated that
as far as he knows, just boys, he doesn't how
many teams. Chm Blank stated that we donated
$400 last year. Sup Nehls stated that she felt
that there will be at least two teams. Stan
Jones asked why can't we budget so much a team
and then if there isn't three teams, you save
some money. Chm Blank stated that it is up to
the people. Caroline Bailey asked what was in
the budget. Chm Blank stated it was probably
the same as last year which is $400. Sup Bailey
stated it was $200 for girls and $200 boys.
Sup Nehls stated that there hasn't been a girls
team. It was asked by Tim Dornfeld if they used
all the money. Kris Kohlhoff stated that there
was $780 in the checking account. Sup Nehls
explained that it costs about $50 per ump and
there are usually 6 games a year with two teams.
Discussion was held on the monies and/equipment.
Stan Jones asked if there were any fundraisers
throughout the year. Kris stated that they sell
stuff at the Concession Stand. It was stated
that Isaac Dornfeld buys the bats and balls
along with the uniforms out of the account.
It was asked if there is field trip or anything.
Sup Nehls stated that the kids have a picnic
at the end of the year and the families bring
dishes to pass. Stan Jones/Sherry Haase made
a motion to give the $400 and if it doesn't
cover all the expenses then I move they can
do a fundraiser. All-Yes 0-No Motion Carried.
Tim stated that he and his wife discussed having
cozies made up and possibly sell at the concession
SWIMMING LESSONS - Chm Blank stated that we
budgeted $225 this year. Chris Spilker stated
that there were only 2 or 3 families that participated
because we asked them to drive there, because
we didn't bus them. She stated that they put
their kids in other programs because it didn't
pay for them to drive there. Chris stated that
it seems there are less and less every year.
Sup Nehls stated that Juneau Rec also has swimming
lessons. Carol Hrenak stated that Hustisford
also offers lessons. Nancy Schlender/Stan Jones
made a motion to make it a pass this year. All-Yes
0-No Motion Carried.
SANTA CLAUS - Chris Spilker stated that she
felt it was getting bigger and bigger every
year. Chm Blank stated that we have $150 this
year. Kris Kohlhoff stated that we didn't have
a lot left over, they did about 100 bags. Kris
stated that the Fire Association would like
to donate this year. Tim Dornfeld/Sandy Thoma
made a motion to stay with the $150. All-Yes
0-No Motion Carried.
SENIOR CITIZENS - Chm Blank stated that we
had budgeted $200 this year. Sup Nehls asked
how many do they average here at the Hall. Tim
Dornfeld stated that where almost 20. Tim Dornfeld
stated that he would donate $20.
Tim Dornfeld/Sherry Haase made a motion to
set the Senior Citizens budget at $240 with
Tim's family donating $20. All-Yes 0-No Motion
Chm Blank stated that this is an open forum.
However, he stated that when he recognizes someone
that everyone gives that person the courtesy
when they have the floor and if it gets out
of hand that person will be asked to leave.
Chm Blank stated that WE Energies had contacted
him because the lot that they have on Hwy CJ
is still for sale. Stan Jones stated that as
soon as WE Energies is ready to donate the lot
to the Township, he would accept it otherwise,
no. Chris Hookstead asked what the Town wants
to do with that acre. Chm Blank stated that
we have to have somewhere for the recycling
center and we could fence that in and set up
dumpsters and have a collection area. Sup Nehls
stated that we also have no salt storage at
this time. She stated that right now we are
over in our salt and if we change contractors
and we had to move our salt out of there, we
can't store it here and we have nowhere to store
it. Tim Dornfeld stated that Stan has a good
question and then questioned if anyone has asked
We Energies how they would feel about donating
it to the Town. Chm Blank stated that he would
put in the next week's agenda. He said that
it started out at $35k and now it is down to
Bob White stated that right now we do have
a recycling center, so he didn't think we needed
the property for that. And he stated that if
you are going to create an area there for whatever
reason, an acre once you get a parking lot and
then put salt there or anything else, by the
time you start turning trucks around, that isn't
going to amount to anything. Bob stated it was
going to be more of a headache and more expense
to the Township than to just go buy a decent
sized lot somewhere. He stated that it's not
going to work out like you think, by the time
you put equipment and stuff in there, there's
no room to turn around. Bob said that it would
be a waste of money to even accept it as a donation.
Chm Blank stated that possibly Retzlaffs………
would sell more land.
DUMPSTER DAYS - Sup Nehls stated that Town
had Dumpster Days last spring and this year
we didn't have one budgeted for. She stated
that she received prices and it would be about
$500 for four hours through Veola and it would
be $125 hour for a rear loading truck with an
operator and $45 a ton for the material. Sup
Nehls stated that normally it is around 9.21
Tons over all the years. She stated that it
is roughly $915. Chm Blank asked the people
if this something they would like for this year.
Caroline Bailey asked where is it going to come
from in the budget, what area are you going
to take it from. Sup Nehls informed Caroline
that this is for 2013 Budget. Chm Blank stated
that it is not for this year. Caroline stated
that there would be no dumpster for the whole
2012 is what the board is saying? Sup Nehls
stated that unless the Board decides to change
the budget line items. A resident asked if it
was approved for this year and Sup Nehls stated
that it did not get brought up. Chm Blank stated
that if there is enough interest in it for this
year and it is brought to the board, we would
look to see if we could change money around
or otherwise this would be for 2013. Chm stated
that other than what was done early, these are
recommendations for the board to look at for
the 2013 Budget.
Chris Spilker stated that Dumpster Days in
the past, the people really utilized it. She
stated that is why the Village of Clyman got
out of the Dumpster Days because the Towns people
really took interest in it and it was not really
benefiting the Village. Sup Nehls stated that
this is just a quote for us. Kris Kohlhoff stated
that we should set a limit on what people bring
in. She stated they had someone bring in a whole
deck that they took off of their house and it
filled up half of the dumpster. Kris said that
another person brought in 7 loads because they
didn't want to get a dumpster of their own.
Chris Spilker stated that maybe we can have
someone monitor it and one of the board members
could do that.
Caroline Bailey stated that in small municipalities
people are paying to get rid of their garbage,
so whoever uses the dumpster could they pay
a fee to get rid of their garbage and for all
the people who do not need to use the dumpster,
since we have our own. Is that something that
can be looked at. Sup Nehls stated that not
everybody has their own dumpster. Caroline stated
that she isn't saying that, but she has a dumpster
and she doesn't need it so for all the people
that live in Cities and Villages they have to
pay to get rid of their garbage, so it is so
much per bag. Sup Nehls stated that a lot of
people in the Township are already paying for
a service and only so much is allowed. Sup Nehls
explained that Dumpster Days takes things that
normal garbage pickup doesn't take. Caroline
asked if we can charge people a fee to get rid
of their garbage. Sup Nehls stated that they
could take it to any place and that is not giving
them a service then. Bob White stated that every
other Town does. Chm Blank stated that some
do and some don't. He stated that you could
figure out a fee at roughly $1000 and if you
broke it down to each person. Sup Nehls stated
that how are going to divide that until you
know who is coming.
Chris Spilker stated the fee goes right out
of the taxes and the people are saying use some
of our tax dollars to get a dumpster. She stated
that it is there for all of us to utilize. Stan
Jones stated that is great and if you can afford
it and you have the money, do it, if you don't,
then you don't do it. Caroline Bailey asked
Stan if he would rather pay Atty fees or would
he rather pay for a dumpster, so she needs to
know where he'd rather go with that. Sup Nehls
stated that is not really up for discussion.
Caroline asked if they want to pay for Atty
fees or where are they going to allocate it
from, because it sounds like the people want
a service, so where are you going to pull that
from. Chris Spilker informed Caroline that again
we are budgeting it for 2013. Caroline stated
that she understands that. Stan Jones stated
that when it comes to the table they can review
it at budget. He stated that whatever we decide
to do if we have x number of dollars and you
do the math and if you wind up being short,
then you have to decide what you are not going
to do and then you have to set priorities.
Sup Nehls stated that she brought it up because
they didn't have one budgeted for this year
and she wanted to know if the citizens like
it or not.
Chm Blank stated that the Board had been discussing
changing our Ambulance service from Juneau,
which is only a basic EMS service, to go into
Watertown Paramedics with their emergency services.
He asked Fire Dept Chief Eric Howlett if Watertown
had gotten back to them.
Eric stated that they would go with short-term
per call, but not long-term. Sup Nehls stated
that short-term meaning this year's budget if
we decide to go with them. Sandy Thoma stated
that when she paid Juneau EMS last month, half
of the bill, she was told we cannot change the
contract this year. She stated that we need
to let them know 60 days in advance before the
first of the year if we are canceling the contract.
Stan Jones asked that Eric step to the front
of the room and explain the differences to us.
Eric stated that Sup Nehls had him check into
going with Watertown because with the service
we have now it is just basic EMT service and
Watertown is paramedics. He said with the paramedics
they are able to do IV's and much more of a
service. Eric stated that right now we are paying
$5000 and Watertown is $14,000.
Bob White asked how this works if they are
on the scene now and Juneau shows up and it's
something they can't handle. Eric stated that
if we feel that the patient needs a higher level
of service, they'll call for it. Sup Nehls stated
that the reason her and Eric were discussing
it is because she hears the radio traffic every
day for her job and we have been on calls lately,
not just Clyman there have been others that
she heard on radio traffic that first responders
like ourselves have been asking for a higher
level of assistance, be it paramedic or flight
for life and Juneau EMS has refused to call
until they are on scene and you are losing precious
minutes, sometimes it's precious seconds. Which
is why she asked what the difference would be
in the cost of service. Sup Nehls stated that
with the paramedics you are already at the higher
level of service and they are on their way.
Bob asked if Juneau was refusing to call a higher
level until they are on the scene. Bob stated
that they are the ones who are qualified to
assess the situation. Sup Nehls and Eric both
stated that if they feel the need to call for
paramedics right away, they have that authority.
Bob asked why they were waiting for Juneau.
Eric stated that they were not waiting for Juneau
and that is the issue they are having. Sup Nehls
stated that if one of them is on scene and call
for a paramedic intercept or put flight for
life on standby and call into dispatch, and
since Juneau is a transporting agency, Juneau
will tell dispatch to wait until they are on
scene and sometimes they haven't even left Juneau
yet. Bob stated that it sounds like there is
a problem with dispatch. Sup Nehls stated absolutely
Eric stated that the reason they have checked
into this is because they have had numerous
issues with them in the past. Sup Nehls stated
that they are in charge of the scene until Juneau
gets there. Chris Hookstead asked how Juneau
overrides them on what authority? Eric stated
that there are certain people in their department
that will not let them override their authority,
but you have some people that are gun-shy and
don't want to get yelled at if they call the
paramedics. Stan Jones questioned if we have
to pay for Watertown and Juneau if both were
called. Eric stated that Watertown has a readiness
fee and they bill back to Juneau. He stated
that if a paramedic intercepted with them, then
they charge them for it, but if they come to
the scene, they don't charge Juneau for the
patient. He said if there is a paramedic intercept,
they get charged half of whatever the fee is
collected. Eric explained that if the patient
is a Town resident then that fee is part of
your taxes and if the patient is a non-resident,
they can get billed from the fire department.
Eric stated that Reeseville and Lowell are already
Mary Lee Peterman asked if Watertown should
come in, do they take everyone to Watertown
Hospital or the closest hospital. Eric stated
that it is the closest hospital. Caroline Bailey
stated that they told her that it depends upon
the accident, that if you prefer to go to your
hospital they told her that they will, if it's
not life threatening they prefer you to be at
your own hospital because they feel that you
would have your own doctors. Chm Blank stated
that they will go within reason, one of the
three. Mary Lee stated that it isn't so much
your preference because, such as people on Medicare,
the insurance only pays for the closest hospital
not what the patient prefers. Caroline asked,
can't at any time anybody, including a first
responder call a paramedic? Chm Blank stated
that they can. Caroline stated: so you are telling
me it has to go through a first responder when
you call for a paramedic it doesn't go to dispatch,
it goes right to Juneau to get to dispatch.
Eric stated that they call and if they feel
the need to call paramedics right away, they
do. Sup Nehls stated that Juneau is on the same
radio traffic and if they hear it, sometimes
they will trump it and cancel it. Discussion
was held on the paramedic and Juneau service.
Eric stated that the good thing about the paramedic
is that there is no question if you need a paramedic
or not. He stated that there are numerous accidents
out on Hwy 26 and 60 and they have required
paramedic service immediately and this way they
are already coming. Eric stated that we are
just looking for a higher level of service,
not cutting down Juneau service, and sometimes
we may need to have 4-5 ambulances and we have
to work with Juneau. Sup Nehls stated that Watertown
is staffed 24/7 and when they get the call and
since they stay at the FD Station they can roll
right away, usually under a minute they are
en route to the scene. Caroline Bailey said
they told her there are 4-5 paramedics at all
times. Caroline stated they did tell that there
are 42 drugs they can administer to people.
Caroline said she talked to this guy in Watertown
and Lt Scott Smith from Dodge City and they
both felt that a paramedic should have been
called in more times than when they are being
Stan Jones stated that he felt this was a great
idea and on the right track and the only thing
is if they want to spend $10k more for that
service it would be up to the board to figure
out where to get that $10k without raising taxes.
Mary Lee Peterman stated that you are not going
to get all the services without raising taxes.
Stan stated that you need to cut something else
then. Mary Lee stated that everything has gone
up and have you spent the same amount on groceries
as you did 2 years ago or even one year ago?
Chris Spilker stated that on the income side,
is it possible to team up with Emmet and Eric
stated that that is for the Fire and they are
in the process of looking into that. She asked
if Emmet goes with Watertown and Eric stated
yes. Chris stated that it would be a good deal
for them to work with us and with Watertown.
Bob White stated that when this was brought
up a couple of meetings ago, we were discussing
the Township and then the Village and he asked
if they are going to do that together. Chm Blank
stated that the $14k is ours. Kris Kohlhoff
stated that their portion would be $7k and it
would be $21k for the two us. Chm Blank stated
that it is based on per capita.
Eric Howlett stated that they have about 33
members and the turn out time average is about
3-5 minutes. Eric stated that they had one major
break down with the truck. Kris Kohlhoff asked
if he heard anything from Atty Griggs on the
settlement. Chm Blank stated that he was talking
to him the other day when he was talking to
him about some other business and he stated
that he was going to send him a letter. He stated
that the last thing he heard was that the guy
was sending us a check. Kris asked if we were
beyond the statutes to do anything. Dave stated
that he wasn't sure, he said that there was
an agreement. Kris stated that it doesn't matter
if you don't file by the end of the third year,
you are done. Chm Blank stated that they had
agreed to pay the $1000 out.
Eric Howlett stated that the tornado siren
is up and running. Chm Blank asked him if there
would be a noon whistle and he said at 12:30pm
on Saturdays. Chm Blank stated that Saturdays
is the statewide siren.
LEVY- Sup Nehls stated that if we stay at the
3% with the budge we have, there will not be
that extra $10k to go to paramedics unless there
is a motion made to approve us to do that for
the 2013 budget. Sandy Thoma stated that we
have some new construction in the Town and that
should increase somewhat.
Mary Lee Peterman stated that we cannot stay
on the same budget forever, she said she is
a senior citizen and she doesn't want her taxes
to go up and when she was reassessed, the assessment
went up only 53%. She stated that it is the
facts of life, we can't keep saying that we
got to keep at the same level because nothing
is at the same level. Mary Lee stated that we
have got to be real, we have roads that have
to be kept up. Chm Blank stated that is where
we have gotten behind, years ago the Town could
get away with using GTA money. He stated that
since petroleum has gone up so fast, we can't
keep up with that inflation.
Mary Lee Peter made a motion to increase the
levy overall. Stan Jones wanted to know if there
was going to be any input on the increase and
Chm Blank stated that the Town does have input
in the fall at the budget meeting.
Caroline Bailey wanted to know how do we know
without being at the budget meeting and without
knowing where we are at for 2012 and how do
we know that because we always budget in November
and we do our levy on the taxes at that time.
Chm Blank stated that is when we figure it out.
Sup Nehls stated that they may either levy a
dollar amount or set a tax rate. Caroline asked
what Statue. Sup Nehls stated that it was in
the second edition handbook. Caroline stated
just give her the information. Sup Nehls stated
that she can get a book. Caroline asked what
is the name of the book. Sup Nehls stated “Wisconsin
Town Officers Handbook, second edition”.
Chris Spilker said that she thinks that is just
for officers. Caroline states that well Brad
would be able to get one. Chm Blank stated that
if you go to the trainings, they are for sale
at any of the trainings. Sup Nehls stated that
she got hers from Chuck.
Sup Nehls said that it is basically saying
that you can levy the tax and that you can either
set it at a percentage, a dollar amount or tax
rate. She then read §60.011 of the State
Statues. This then happens in fall.
Discussion was held on the levy.
It was stated that there was $10k borrowed
last year, so we are operating more or less
in the hole. Mary Lee Peterman stated that she
can't see putting a specific amount on it now.
She stated let's see what the budget totals
are for this year, then you'll have a better
idea where to go. Mary Lee stated that then
the people will have a right to vote on what
they want the levy to be. Sup Nehls stated that
they did that last year and asked Chm Blank
how well that went. Caroline stated that the
people voted it down because they didn't want
their taxes increased. Chm Blank stated that
we will run into a problem where down the road
we will be paying twice as much. Mary Lee asked
if she should say a certain amount. Sup Nehls
stated that you could and if you are saying
this tonight and you are giving us that suggestion
already, it is giving everybody a heads up that
come that budget meeting, these numbers are
going to be increased.
Mary Lee stated that she has been attending
meetings and there are so many things you can
go over on, like lawyers, if the people don't
cooperate and pay up when they are supposed
to. She stated that it's not the Boards fault
that you have to call an attorney. Mary Lee
said people say that you have to stop doing
that, well you are the people we voted on to
run our Township and follow the rules and if
people don't want to follow the rules, you can't
just look the other way and say that's okay.
She said these things have to be followed. She
said she didn't want to set an amount and wants
to see what the board is going to do.
More discussion was held.
Mary Lee Peterman/John Haase made a motion
to give the board authority to increase the
budget and then be brought before the people
in November and then they can decide how much
of a levy. 17-Yes 6-No 1-Abstain Motion Carried.
CHANGING TO 5 A MEMBER BOARD - Kris Kohlhoff
stated that at a previous meeting she brought
up changing to a 5 member board and she asked
for information on it and at that time she was
told that the board has the right to do that,
is that still the case? Chm Blank stated that
they have a right to do it. He said when it's
done and how it's done is how they are limited.
It was asked if it has to go to a referendum
and Chm Blank said no
IT SHOULD BE NOTED: At this point, the tape
recorder stopped recording, unknown reason.
Kris Kohlhoff /Chuck Burkholz made a motion
to go with a Five Member Board in 2014 with
the Board in election next year and the new
members in election in 2014. Stan Jones questioned
the procedure, if it was in writing and Kris
Kohlhoff stated that it is in the caucus. 20-Yes
0-No 3-Abstain. Motion Carried.
Caroline Bailey questioned how much we are
going to spend on ULWR Atty fees. Sup Nehls
stated that whatever it takes. It was stated
several times throughout the audience, “Whatever
it takes”. Caroline asked again how much
are we going to spend. Mary Lee Peterman wants
to know why some people are attacking the Board.
Chris Hookstead asked about the 3% over the
levy and Sup Nehls explained.
Caroline Bailey asked about the Facebook page
for the Town of Clyman and who authorized it.
Chuck Burkholz stated that he did and he has
since turned it off.
Chris Spilker wanted to know if Caroline Bailey
was going to pay her bill. Caroline stated that
she is not paying that bill. Sherry Haase asked
what this was about. Caroline Bailey stated
that Atty Griggs had no right to send her that
Sup Nehls then read the email sent to Caroline
Bailey from Atty Griggs, dated February 15,
February 15, 2012
Dear Ms. Bailey:
You asked me at the end of Monday night's meeting
what is the legal authority for the Town of
Clyman to require ULWR to be responsible for
the engineering fees and legal fees associated
with the alleged failure on the part of ULWR
to notify regarding two different spills, a
small spill in December of 2010 and a much larger
spill on July 31, 2011.
Specifically, Section 13.5 of the Clyman Zoning
Code requires ULWR or any other entity subject
to a Conditional Use Permit to pay any other
expert or consulting services deemed necessary
by the Town, e.g. engineering services to ensure
processing, review, and compliance with the
provisions of this ordinance. Further, pursuant
to the CUP itself, Section 43A.(iii) indicates
that the Town may consider any and all remedies
up to and including revocation . . . Of course,
any and all remedies includes engineering fees
and attorneys' fees, etc. . . . Moreover, Section
43E.(iv) states among other things that the
Board may impose whatever remedy is appropriate.
. . Obviously, this also includes among other
things engineering and attorneys' fees.
Thank you for your attention and consideration.
Very truly yours,
LORENZ, GRIGGS & SWEET
Andrew R. Griggs
Caroline was sent an invoice for the charge
sent to the Town for Atty Griggs time $37.50,
plus a customary 4% administration fee $1.50
for a total of $39.00.
Discussion was held on this bill.
Caroline Bailey stated that she Might pay the
$37.50, but she was not paying the 4% administration
Caroline Bailey wants Brad's book before Friday
at 4:00pm. She said it is public record and
she can't do any research on the books over
the weekend and Brad can't make an educated
decision then. Caroline stated that Brad has
a job and works for a living. Sup Nehls stated
that she has a full-time job and three children
and she still finds time to do her own research.
Chm Blank stated that he also has a job and
a business and finds time to do his own as well.
Caroline stated, “I educate and Brad votes”.
Chuck Burkholz questioned about the bringing
up about the Facebook page. He stated that he
turned the other one off. Chuck said that he
could bring up a new page that states “You
know you are from Clyman if…….”
Pam Antholt stated that if this page was going
to be used for bashing the Board or Employees,
then she is not with it. Discussion was held
and Chuck stated that he would moderate the
ELECTION WORKERS - Pam Antholt asked if the
Election Workers hourly pay be brought up to
$10 for Election Workers and $11 for Chief Election
Inspectors. Discussion was held. John Haase
/ Mary Lee Peterman made a motion to increase
the hourly pay to $10 for Election Workers and
$11 for Chief Election Inspectors. Motion Carried.
Chm Blank made mention that all residents burning
should call the County or Eric or Dave and tell
them where the fire is, their phone number and
how long they will burn.
SET NEXT MEETING - April 16, 2013 @7:00pm
John Haase/Mary Lee Peterman to adjourn the
meeting at 9:31pm.
Pamela Antholt - Town Clerk